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TOPOFTHEHILL



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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:42 am

I have been very busy working through pedigrees for clients and as you all know I spend hours looking at statistics and numbers and trends and results and so on. I like to think I deal in facts but I actually realised today that I possibly don’t.
I was looking at a mares pedigree with a view to finding her a nice stallion with positive affinities that would at least start us on a process which will give us a nice foal. The mare was smart a Group winner and Group placed. She is quite a young mare. I started out looking at the key ancestors in her pedigree, (well you have to start somewhere).
Her second dam’s sire was Trempolino. Who can ever forget that Arc in 1987. It was in my opinion one of the better Arc’s and the manner of victory was breathtaking. This was without doubt a proper racehorse. He was retired to stand initially in the USA but was repatriated to France a few years later and lived to a good old age.
His stud record was very modest, so if you are a number cruncher like me you tend to skate over the history, you live by the numbers you die by the numbers. But I am not really like that. I like to find out if possible why he was such a disappointing sire. And I think I might have an explanation other than the usual one which was he was useless, had a poor pedigree, what do you expect.
In this case I think he simply fell between two eras. He was by Sharpen Up and that was only part of his problem, he was out of a Vice Regal mare who herself was out of a mare by Molvedo. Its all top class breeding and probably a good example of the sort of breeding that was highly successful in the early 20th century. Its that blend of Classic class and Stoutness that was so successful for Tesio. However when he gets to stud in 1988 everything had changed. US/Canadian bred Northern Dancers and Mr Prospectors were all the rage as stallions even though the best early ones here went back to the USA.
When you look at the stakes winners by Trempolino you see that his major affinities were with Nasrullah, Nearco, Tom Fool, Mahmoud, Northern Dancer was 5th on the list, Tantieme, Hail to Reason, Aureole and so it goes on like a section from an old stud book. He was always going to struggle especially in the USA where he might have found plenty of Nasrullah and Tom Fool but even Hail To Reason was fast disappearing by then.
So I look at the numbers and think OK they are not great but they are probably more than the sum of the parts, how you give that a numerical value I have no idea but one thing I know is that having the facility to generate data without the knowledge and understanding of history is never going to be enough.
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  • Villicious»Fri Dec 10, 2021 17:42 pm
    I have an old ‘family’ ( over egging it a little here - 3 mares!) and what I wouldn’t give for some more Ribot, Tudor Minstrel and Hail to Reason to play with. I think it is perfectly possible to be pootling along quite successfully and then all of a sudden your mares have fallen behind a ‘new wave’ or a colt retiring no longer has a compatible herd with what he brings to the table. I agree TOTH, it is easy to pigeon hole some sires as a disaster with out giving due consideration to what opportunities he really has. .. The industry is all about opportunity on so many levels… That the Acclamations and Dubawis of this world have sprung from a place slightly left of centre seems to me to be a part of being in the right pedigree place at the right time as opposed to any nailed on merits… Reply
  • TOPOFTHEHILL»Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:32 am
    You could see what was going to happen with Hail to Reason quite a long time ago and I think he is almost gone now, certainly way too far gone to think that he may re-emerge. Just a great bloodline. I loved Roberto, just about as good a horse as I have ever seen, going on a left handed course. He was just not the same going in the other direction, there was possibly something hurting or just distracting. He was as brave a horse as you would want and to beat Brigadier Gerard the way he did puts him right up there. There was a point where it might have been possible with some breeder support to sustain the Hail to Reason sire line but it seems to be impossible to galvanise breeders into action until it is too late. There needs to be some sort of financial support for breeders using stallions of genetic interest and merit that helps sustain the bloodlines. Reply
  • Reference Point»Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:11 am
    I agree about Roberto, one or two Dynaformer's still giving it a go but not much else. Deep Impact should give HTR a bit of a chance. I can see a few more of them being available over the next few years over here. Unless you have deep pockets it's risky to take chances with sires. The best way to get your mare a good track record is to get her offspring to decent trainers and they all seem to want the same thing. I like the idea of financial support for breeders but as we currently don't even have breeder prizes for any other than the biggest races I doubt it will ever come. Reply
  • Mr Jones»Tue Dec 14, 2021 17:43 pm
    "financial support for breeders".... well, do that and the stallion men will just hike up further. I am going to thread a new idea! Reply
  • Little Man»Mon Dec 13, 2021 17:18 pm
    Can either of you suggest what 'financial support' you would propose - go on tell us. Pretend you are the top notch of the industry! Reply
  • Reference Point»Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:42 am
    Well with Ascot raising Shergar Cup prizemoney by £220k on the day, that won't help. Surely there could be a better way to spend that money? Reply
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